{"id":113525,"date":"2018-03-02T12:47:52","date_gmt":"2018-03-02T17:47:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.bates.edu\/news\/?p=113525"},"modified":"2020-08-17T17:00:23","modified_gmt":"2020-08-17T21:00:23","slug":"matt-dunlap-dont-call-it-fraud-because-you-disagree-with-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bates.edu\/news\/2018\/03\/02\/matt-dunlap-dont-call-it-fraud-because-you-disagree-with-it\/","title":{"rendered":"Matt Dunlap: ‘Don\u2019t call it fraud because you disagree with it’"},"content":{"rendered":"

One day in October, Maine Secretary of State <\/span>Matt Dunlap<\/span> got an email from his counterpart in Minnesota. It was a press release from a conservative activist group, announcing that it had been invited to present at the December meeting of the <\/span>Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity<\/span>. <\/span><\/p>\n

Dunlap, a member of that very commission, had not known the activist group was going to speak. Nor that there would be a December meeting.<\/span><\/p>\n

For Dunlap, the incident illustrated the secrecy surrounding the short-lived commission, which President Donald Trump created in May to investigate claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2016 election. In November, Dunlap was catapulted into the national spotlight when he sued the commission for information about its activities and schedule.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Matthew Dunlap, Maine’s secretary of state, joined President Trump’s Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity in May 2017. He sued the commission in November. (Theophil Syslo\/Bates College)<\/p><\/div>\n

Dunlap shared his story firsthand with a Bates audience on Feb. 28, interviewed by Associate Professor of Politics John Baughman in the Muskie Archives. The event was sponsored by the Harward Center for Community Partnerships. <\/span><\/p>\n

As secretary of state, Dunlap oversees a variety of regulatory functions \u2014 notably the administration of elections in Maine. That work \u201cmostly consists of talking on camera\u201d to local election officials, he said. Those officials are responsible for taking and counting votes, which Dunlap\u2019s office certifies.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cThe idea that there\u2019s widespread voter fraud is really more of a myth.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Dunlap described the process as \u201cpretty rock solid,\u201d but the security of the national voting process came into question after the 2016 election, when Trump <\/span>claimed<\/span><\/a> that he lost the popular vote because three million to five million votes had been cast illegally \u2014 \u201ca ridiculous statement,\u201d Dunlap said. <\/span><\/p>\n

This past winter, Dunlap got a call from Kris Kobach, the secretary of state in Kansas, asking if Dunlap would want to serve on a commission to investigate such claims. Dunlap accepted, and in May, he heard that Trump was about to issue an executive order creating the commission, with Vice President Mike Pence as chair and Kobach as vice chair. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cThere might be a little press,\u201d Kobach told him about the announcement.<\/span><\/p>\n

There was a lot of press. Critics argued that the commission and Kobach, who has long advocated for strong voter ID laws, would work to suppress voters. Dunlap said his office was flooded with postcards urging him to step down from the commission.<\/span><\/p>\n

But he saw the commission as an opportunity to tell Maine\u2019s story.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cThe idea that there\u2019s widespread voter fraud is really more of a myth,\u201d he said. \u201cBut let\u2019s talk about what we do right and what we could do better.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Dunlap\u2019s time on the commission, he said, was characterized by moments of intense public scrutiny, followed by long periods of silence and secrecy. <\/span><\/p>\n

One moment of scrutiny came when the commission <\/span>requested<\/span> that all 50 states provide voter information \u2014 a move many regarded as a first step to creating voter suppression programs. Dunlap refused, as did most state election officials, including, ironically, Kobach himself.<\/span><\/p>\n

Then, shortly before a September meeting in New Hampshire, Kobach published an article on the website Breitbart, <\/i>arguing that there were thousands of cases of voter fraud in that state alone: People had used same-day registration to vote, but months later, they had not gotten New Hampshire driver\u2019s licenses, indicating they didn\u2019t actually live in the state.<\/p>\n

Dunlap said Kobach was defining \u201cfraud\u201d far too broadly. New Hampshire law allows some temporary residents, like college students, to vote without establishing permanent residency.<\/p>\n

\u201cDon\u2019t call it fraud because you disagree with it,\u201d he said. \u201cThat\u2019s a sales point more than anything.\u201d<\/p>\n

The New Hampshire dispute raised<\/a> Dunlap\u2019s profile, but though he fielded constant questions from journalists \u2014 \u201cGod help you if you\u2019re quotable\u201d \u2014 he had little to tell them. He had no idea what the commission was doing or planning, and neither Kobach nor the White House would tell him.<\/p>\n

\u201cI was finding out about things second- and third-hand, and I started sending emails and not getting a response,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n

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Associate Professor of Politics John Baughman interviewed Maine Secretary of State Matt Dunlap at Muskie Archives. (Theophil Syslo\/Bates College)<\/p><\/div>\n

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Matters came to a head in October, when Dunlap <\/span>learned<\/span> from the press that a researcher for the commission had been arrested on charges of possessing child pornography.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cI wrote a formal letter to the commission,\u201d Dunlap said. \u201c\u2018I want to know what\u2019s going on. I want to know who we\u2019re talking to. I want to know what we\u2019re talking about. I want to know what our reference materials are. And most of all, I\u2019d like to get a handle on our schedule.\u2019\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n

From the White House: \u201cSilence.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cThen,\u201d Dunlap said, \u201cit got weirder.\u201d Wanting to be helpful but remain anonymous, a member of Congress had their chief of staff contact another representative\u2019s chief of staff, who told Dunlap that people in Washington were rooting for him, and that he wouldn\u2019t get any information about the commission without a lawyer. <\/span><\/p>\n

Dunlap took the mystery representative\u2019s advice, assembling a legal team \u2014 \u201cit\u2019s like having a company softball team where all of a sudden Dustin Pedroia shows up\u201d \u2014 and filed suit against the commission, arguing that it wasn\u2019t following laws about transparency and ideological balance. <\/span><\/p>\n

Dunlap won the suit, one of several filed against the commission. <\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cI said to the attorneys at that point, \u2018I half-wonder if they don\u2019t pull the plug on this now,\u2019\u201d Dunlap told the Bates audience. \u201cSure enough, January 3, we got the email that they dissolved<\/a> the commission.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cThe election doesn\u2019t go your way? There\u2019s always another election.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

But Dunlap\u2019s lawsuit is still pending, and he hopes to make the commission\u2019s activities and plans public. <\/span><\/p>\n

During the interview Dunlap took audience questions, which ranged from Russian interference in the 2016 election to instituting a ranked-choice voting system in Maine.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Maine Secretary of State Matt Dunlap took audience questions during his interview at the Muskie Archives. (Theophil Syslo\/Bates College)<\/p><\/div>\n

If Dunlap could set the agenda of a commission on election integrity, he said, it would focus on voter access \u2014 the idea that \u201cpeople have a right to vote, and you work backwards from that.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n

Dunlap\u2019s tenure on the commission, he said, helped him realize that people care about that right. There was strong public opposition to the group getting state voter data and to the possibility that it would try to suppress votes, an indication that people cared about the process of elections and believed in states\u2019 ability to administer them.<\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cThat\u2019s how democracy should work,\u201d Dunlap said. \u201cAs long as we stay in those parameters, we succeed regardless of what the outcome is. The election doesn\u2019t go your way? There\u2019s always another election. That\u2019s something we should never forget.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n

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